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A visit to his house off Isa Kaita Road, Malali along GRA, Kaduna shows no sign of affluence or of someone who lives big despite being a former Governor of the state “I am not a greedy person, I am living comfortably well according to my needs” he tells City People’s Kaduna Correspondent, Asabe Ndoma. A leading member of the People’s Redemption Party (PRP) Balarabe Musa bears his mind on current national issues i.e Recession, calls for restructuring and governance, saying the government of President Buhari is “non focused and a self seeking administration” who are more interested in self servicing and personal approval than alleviating the suffering of all Nigerians, but will rather pay lip service to the plight of the people. At 80 and still going strong he said those calling for restructuring are promoting self interest above public interest.
He also disclosed that being a farmer has kept him very active while engaging in a healthy lifestyle. Read on!
What has kept you going?
Well, I am a farmer so I am always on the move, and then, I live comfortably, so these are the most responsible factors for what you asked me.
You still live like a common man and not in a state of affluence?
Yes that is what I mean by comfort.
So now you don’t put yourself into unnecessary stress or pressure?
I avoid it, I can tell you what ever the pressure it takes me not up to 15minutes before I sleep. And I sleep at least 7hours daily, so you can see my state of mind.
Even with the hardship and recession, you are still at peace with yourself?
Of course.
Now that we are in a recession, the economy is not doing well, and as a statesman, what advise will you give the government?
That is the root cause of the recession, recession implies that social economic & political system controlling development in the country and its political leadership are based first on self-interest and secondly on public interest. Perhaps the question to ask ourselves first of all is what is the root cause of the recession,
So what is the way forward?
The way forward is to change the social economic and political system controlling all development in the country and the political leadership produced by the system. As I said, most of it are based on self interest first, public interest second or even incidental. Now I will give you history as justification for what I said, before 1970 the policy, the system in Nigerian Government was largely based on public interest first and enlighten self interest second and since 1982 during the Shagari tenure, the system was gradually systematically changed into the other side, that is self-interest first and public interest second or incidental. Shagari started it the hostility where government spent less on public service. And now it has led to a worse situation, a clear leading role of private-public leading role as opposed to leading role of the state and the economy to ensure peace, equality, justice, dignity of the human person and progressive development. And there is no doubt about this now. Today the Senate President who represents the other side of Government came openly and agrees with the president on the policy of the leading role of the oil sector in the economy.
Look at the suffering now in Nigeria, look at the recession and then you are calling on the parasitic private sector to take control of the economy of the country, what do you expect?
So what you are saying now is that this move by the Government is a very wrong move?
It a very wrong move, the Government has consistently been told this, since that initiative by leading role of the economy started particularly in 1982 when Shagari for the first time started this exploitative hostility measure.
You don’t seem to be in agreement with most of the policies of the present government?
Of course, am not in support.
Why sir?
Because if you can remember the President was elected by 15million Nigerians out of 70 million register voters. So he is somebody who emerged in a situation of apathy so you can say it is a minority Government. In a situation which demand for a strong leadership base on moral and constitutional authority. Now there is constitutional authority because he was elected no doubt about it but there was moral deficiency in the sense the quality of the voting was low 15million out of 70million so the President ought to be more careful than he is now.
But there are some areas that he should be commended like fighting corruption and insecurity?
Well take the case of Corruption and insecurity he made both of them the most important three policies of his government or when he was campaigning. But take the case of corruption, in what way has the anti-corruption war really affected the attitude of Nigerians towards corruption, not at all. No significant person has been probed prosecuted and effectively punished for corruption. And now you can easily say the government is led by people who do not have clean records as far as corruption is concerned except in the case of the president himself and so on.
Some people have said that his ministers are afraid to tell him the truth because they might be sacked?
He deliberately chose people who will always say yes sir, and according to our analyses right from time, steps were taken to compose the Government that is to appoint the ministers and other chief executives but we saw this clearly coming up.
We saw an attempt to go to a rally and choose ministers and other Chief Executives and I saw quite clearly out of those nominated after waiting for so long we didn’t see those that have the necessary qualification to be ministers. Buhari should have chosen people who are articulate, you don’t just bring in any body. It must be somebody who has a track record so that immediately he is mentioned, everybody will say oh yes he can make it. This was not the case except in case of four of the ministers. All the others were virtually unknown people he wanted to give a chance to help.
What advise will you give Government so that the country can come out of recession?
First of all the recession is the rebirth of a lot of negative factors including the level of unity of government in the country and the first thing is to reconcile Nigeria so that the pursue for National Unity and development of the whole country comes first, any other thing second.
Secondly, deal decisively with this disenabling level of corruption, stealing and criminal waste of resources. Look before 1970 nobody could steal even a kobo and get away with it but what is the position
now, with this position how can you achieve any progress in the country.
Are you also suggesting we go back to Agriculture?
Of course, not just agriculture alone but let us have a balance industrial structure, we cant ignore oil because oil has kept us for so long so we can’t ignore it but we should diversity, it return to agriculture and create opportunities in other sectors of the economy like mineral.
Some people also say the government has no strong economic team, what do you think?
The Government has no economic team at all because the team is made of public officials what should be is that the people ought to be independent. For instance the private sector should play a reasonable role. Those patriotic Nigerians should be there, but at the moment now it is just a committee of Government officials it is not independent under the Vice-President. The economic team needs to be independent of the Government to tell the President the state of the economy that doesn’t stop the Government from having it’s own subcommittee.
So coming to Kaduna State, How would you rate El-Rufai’s Government?
NO, no, I do not comment on home matters I leave that for others in my party to do, we should concentrate on National affairs. Except where there is a critical situation.
Now some people have called on restructuring of Nigeria, what is your take on that?
Yes I support restructuring but you see, different people have different ideas about restructuring and some of the ideas are so negative, some of the ideas are based on ethnic sovereignty which means we have four hundred ethnic entities in Nigeria otherwise let us have four hundred sovereignties. This is negative, there are some who simply because of this problem of National understanding feel that the North decides everything in the affairs of the country and this North has to be stopped and the only way to do that is to split Nigeria using restructuring but there are restructuring which is necessary because Nigeria has developed over a period of one hundred years and it needs renewal.
Secondly, things are changing throughout the world and we should take advantage of changes in the world to change the structure. For example
our experience has shown us that we should go back to our regional arrangement we had before the military came. Before the military came Nigeria had five viable units, four regional governments and all the five were viable. We have less resources in the country. Sadly Nigeria is not an organized economy but it is the richest in terms of what it have. So we can afford to create viable units inform of regions that can take care of themselves without the federal Government they only need the federal government in two areas to lead in bringing about national unity, to lead in bringing about balanced economic development, in that way resources in terms of allocation for a moment is wrong and not good for national unity and balance economy with the Federal Government taking so much. Now what advise will you give, for curbing farmers’ herdsmen clashes? Well, a responsible government, the body language of the president alone can stop this.
Are you in support of steps taken by Government to stop Niger Delta aggression?
I think the measures relies too much on force, and it will not succeed because of two reasons. One, you are dealing with fellow Nigerians, you can’t destroy them without destroying Nigeria. Secondly, they have a case, they may be misusing it but they have a case, the first case is as a result of living in the area as a result of oil, their lives being destroyed in many ways and government should take note .
So you will suggest dialogue?
Yes, we have seen what dialogue have done in spite of his weakness, Umaru Ya’adua’s dialogue brought peace for everybody including the Niger Delta. But now that the Federal Government has allowed the continuation of killing of the resources made available for the development of the area, its impunity.
Also promises were made to the people of the area as a result of the Umaru Ya’adua led dialogue and the government has not come out to say otherwise. So they have a case.
So what time do you make out to go to the farm and stay with family?
I am always on the farm. Every day after 10 o’clock am on the farm and return around 6pm but I have stopped it now because am getting old. Am now 80 years old so I can do what I used to do.
What kind of food do you enjoy most?
I like fura, and I take a lot of Vegetables, Fruits and Meat a lot.
So what will you want to be remembered for?
I have done what I ought to do, that’s all.
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